Yeshua, Mashiach, the only candidate of fulfilling the messianic prophecies.

Dear Heather,

Great that we both see the value of debating!

[Some of the below statements are linked to references.]

You wrote: “”It seems to me that many do this to fit their own needs.  I have also read that Nehemia Gordon (Karaite Jew) says that the book of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew.  There are so many translations and interpretations that I am weary of trying to sort it all out.”

Many do “this to fit their own needs”. You are correct in that observation! It is easy to differentiate between the “reconstructions” made by people having their own agenda, and Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu [NHM] using a formal logical methodology based on scientific well documented premises.  The methodology is outlined in this post. Some of the premises are outlined in my previous posts. The well documented fact of Ribi Yehoshua being a Pharisee disprovess Nehemia Gordon’s statements to be valid. The fact that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee proves he endorsed Torah including historical real world Halakhah.  He also ignores the Torah-directive to keep the directives of Torah according to mishpat.

Neither Scholars nor laymen have refuted the research of NHM. The research started to be published about 30 years ago.

I can easily demonstrate other “reconstructions”, “translations”, etc, to be invalid.

If you think you found any error in the methodology described of reconstructing Hebrew Matityahu, then please point it out. If you don’t find any error, then you have no reason to reject the reconstruction or claiming it to be unreliable.

You wrote: What is wrong with my view?  Why can’t I stay with my Tanakh, follow Torah to the best of my ability”

I am very happy that you desire to keep Torah to the best of your ability!

Do you agree with me of what I have written in my previous posts about mishpat?

Do you understand the Torah including the historical real world Halakhah of the requirements of how to be included in Am Israels’ pact with HaShem?

You wrote: “and not have to “accept” “Ribi Yehoshua” as messiah?  What evidence do you have in Tanakh? Please quote Tanakh to me.

Yes, sure, I will! I have quoted this before, but I haven’t got any valid counter argument to it. The following is only one of many arguments proving Ribi Yehoshua to be the Mashiakh. If you don’t agree with any of the following statements, then please tell me which statement you don’t agree with; and on which grounds you don’t agree with it! Except for Tana’’ch I hope that I am allowed to use other historical documents!

“See Hosheia 3.5, Yirm^әyâhu 30.9; et al. From the time this original prophecy was issued (ca. B.C.E. 465) this required documentation in the public genealogical registries.

“According to Hegesippus, Vespasian [69-79 C.E.], Domitian [81-96 C.E.] and Trajan [98-117 C.E.] hunted down all Jews of Davidic descent and executed them in order to extirpate the royal line on which the Jews had set their hopes” (Emil Schürer, The History Of The Jewish People In The Age Of Christ,” I:528).

“It was not without reason…” (Salo Baron, “A Social and Religious History of the Jews,” II:121). “The authorities searched out the Jewish families descended from the house of David in order to destroy them and thus eradicate the last remnant of the nation’s hope of restoration of the Davidic kingdom” (“Israel,” EJ, 9:238).

The sole surviving exceptions are the two genealogies of Ribi Y^әhoshua.

Only after the Romans destroyed all of the Davidic genealogies except two (paternal and maternal genealogies of Ribi Y^әhoshua) have some ventured that the public genealogical registries weren’t required for validation of Kohanim and the Mâshiakh – Messiah.

However, even for valid Kohanim Scripture makes it explicitly clear that the required documentation by public genealogical registries cannot be circumvented (N^әkhemyah 7.63) (Kohanim – ‘priests’- today are ceremonial; honored as having traditional descent; but none would qualify for service in the Beit ha-Miqdash – ‘Temple’.)

The only historically authentic genealogies of the Davidic family from the public registries that survive today are those of Ribi Y^әhoshua.

Therefore, Ribi Y^әhoshua is the only possible candidate for Mâshiakh that there can ever be!”  [Source]

You quoted ‘the gospel of John’. I don’t follow it. Only NHM is authoritative of what Ribi Yehoshua taught and what he didn’t teach.

You wrote:“Ribi Yehoshua said that I need to go through him to reach the Father”

No, he didn’t. I demonstrated that Ribi Yehoshua was a Pharisee in good standing in the Pharisaic Jewish community all of his lifetime. Do you think that he can have taught such a statement, and yet remained in good standing?

To claim– without any proofs – that a person taught anything anti-Torah would be leshon hara, which is forbidden in Torah. One is of course allowed to have questions; but not to state such a thing without any proofs.

You wrote: “Unless you can point me to scripture to correct my misunderstanding, I should be able to read Tanakh and grow in wisdom and knowledge of our Creator, following Torah.”

Yes, we can grow in wisdom of our Creator by studying His Tana’’ch in Hebrew; and I hope that we all are doing this! What about real world historical Halakhah?

Shalom, Anders